Michelle Belanger ([info]sethanikeem) wrote,
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Vampires are Gay
Or at least the vast majority of influential fiction written about them is steeped in homosexual undertones. The tension between Polidori and Byron writhes throughout's Polidori's novella, The Vampyre and LeFanu does not even attempt to be subtle about the lesbian qualities of his title character in Carmilla. And now that I've finally read through the entire book, Reminiscences of Henry Irving, penned by Bram Stoker in 1906 after the actor's death, I can heartily say that there's some tension between those two in their fictional alter-egos as well: Dracula for Irving and both Van Helsing and Renfield for Stoker.



A lot of folks who write literary criticism claim that Stoker idolized Irving, citing Reminiscences as the proof of this idolization. But consider the cultural milieu in which Stoker existed: steeped in the theater culture of Victorian London, he was friends with Oscar Wilde. So close was their relationship that they romanced the same woman, with Stoker eventually marrying her once Wilde got tired of the gal.

Of course, Stoker's involvement in the gay underground active in England during his time is just as much a point of conjecture as his involvement in the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, also active in England during his day. The same arguments work on both ends: He had tons of friends involved in the Order and he spent a lot of time with those people. The social circles he moved in almost demanded that he interact with these people and encounter many of the same influences that influenced their practices and beliefs. And yet whether or not he himself was a member of the Golden Dawn is still hotly debated (despite the fact that James and Alex Baker, in their contribution on Crowley's vampirism in Vampires: In Their Own Words seems to lay the matter to rest, IMO). There's no decisive proof that he was actively involved in either the occult underground of Victorian England or the homosexual underground of the same, and yet the circumstantial evidence mounts up.

But I'll let Stoker speak for himself, as he does so eloquently and effusively throughout Reminiscences:

"so great was the magnetism of his genius, so profound was the sense of his dominance... recreated by a force of passion which was like a new power." (p. 29)

"Soul had looked into soul! From that hour began a friendship as profound, as close, as lasting as can be between two men." (p. 33)

"And the sight of his picture before me, with those loving words, the record of a time of deep emotion and full understanding of us both, each for the other, unmans me once again as I write." (p. 33)

Idolization. That word -- I do not think it means what you think it means!

So ... Stoker may have been in love with Irving quite literally -- and expressed this love through his writing. But what does that really mean for vampire literature?

It's interesting that Stoker, who envisioned Irving playing Dracula on the stage, redirects all of the character's sexuality to his mouth (as well as his eyes, which Stoker repeatedly has lit-gasms over in Irving's case). Polidori does the same thing with his character, Ruthven. In a word, vampires suck, yet not in a receptive female way. The expression of their sexuality through biting is dominant/phallic. I don't need to go all Freudian on everyone to complete that thought, do I?

What it means for vampire literature is about the real appeal vampires hold for us, over and over again. In literature, the vampire is a wish-fulfillment figure and, more than that, it is an expression of darker sexual desires. Vampires, since they are not properly human and therefore exist beyond the bounds of human rules, can engage in forbidden sexuality with impunity. And, so long as humans are seen as their "victims" -- individuals upon whom this forbidden sexuality is forced, whether through physical or metaphysical dominance, then the protagonists of these tales can engage in this forbidden sexuality without the stain of guilt or remorse. After all, it's not their fault the vampire came stalking along, hungry for their blood.

This raises some interesting things for the appeal of Twilight. In Polidori's and Stoker's times (even in Rice's decade) homosexuality was certainly a forbidden expression of sexuality. With even IOWA getting in on the gay marriage thing, I think we can safely say that, although still a controversial topic, homosexual behavior is hardly the taboo that it once was.

So what are our current sexual taboos?

Consider the age difference between Edward and Bella, add in the stalking behavior he exhibits throughout the books, and I think you'll have your answer...

--M


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[info]baphnedia
2009-06-19 07:14 pm UTC (link)
http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson228.html :P

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[info]sable_twilight
2009-06-19 07:48 pm UTC (link)
Wait! Edward is a creepy pedo stalking high schools?
Now if I could just find a image of Edward Cullen as Pedobear...

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[info]sethanikeem
2009-06-19 08:21 pm UTC (link)
Unconsciously on the part of the author, I think it's nevertheless a part of the psycho-dynamics of the character -- as well as an unconscious part of his appeal.

--M

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(no subject) - [info]sable_twilight, 2009-06-19 08:27 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]sethanikeem, 2009-06-19 08:32 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]sable_twilight, 2009-06-19 09:18 pm UTC (Expand)
Edward
[info]moonnana
2009-06-19 07:51 pm UTC (link)
When I was fourteen years old, I had the experience of someone who was thirty years older, Let's call him Edward :), and it was far from molestation, it was the best sex of my life, I was connected to this person heart and soul. He had told me that he had made a choice to get me into his bed, you think I would have been insulted or scared,but truth being I wanted his seduction. Ironically, this is the same person who introduced me to bigger spiritual and philisophical concepts. He was not the nicest person, he was not the most attractive physically, but there was an energy about him. I am not saying all fourteen year old girls should sleep with older persons, not at all, but I believe this man was my fate.

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Re: Edward
[info]sable_twilight
2009-06-19 08:14 pm UTC (link)
Reading this, here is a line from the Bowie song "Sweet Thing" that comes to mind:
I'm glad that you're older than me
Makes me feel important and free


I feel it is possible for cross generational relationships to healthy for both parties. And I feel very strongly that age of consent laws as they exist now don't really work. They do not address the real issue, which is educating people on how to have healthy sexual relationships.

But at the same time, age issues are huge in the US, especially with concerns of internet relationships and all that. And to realize that mainstream media is calibrating and romanticizing a relationship it would otherwise prosecute is just... hilarious to me in a darkly twisted way.

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Re: Edward - [info]matrixrefugee, 2009-06-19 10:03 pm UTC (Expand)
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Re: Edward - [info]matrixrefugee, 2009-06-23 09:34 pm UTC (Expand)
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Re: Edward - [info]sethanikeem, 2009-06-20 06:44 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Edward - [info]matrixrefugee, 2009-06-23 09:31 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]only_ember
2009-06-19 07:59 pm UTC (link)
I don't think Stephanie Meyer ever intended to turn Edward into a creepy stalker with an overbearing chauvanistic complex ("Oh, Bella, you silly little girl," *pat on the head*), but it's how he came off (to anyone older than thirteen, I guess). I'm sure she'd say it's because that's how they treated women in the era he's from, but I wonder if she'd known how big the book was going to get, or how many young girls were going to read it, she would have changed the dynamic just a bit?

Sorry. /Twilight rant

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[info]sethanikeem
2009-06-19 08:08 pm UTC (link)
I'm not criticizing it at all -- just suggesting that the undercurrent hits certain taboos and things that electrify our culture in ambivalent ways right now. I'm fairly certain that neither Stoker nor Polidori consciously infused their vampire tales with the complicated psycho-dynamics of their attraction for other men. But the fact that such stuff is there, bubbling just beneath the surface, gives the archetype greater power.

--M

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(no subject) - [info]sable_twilight, 2009-06-19 08:22 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]sethanikeem, 2009-06-19 08:28 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]sable_twilight, 2009-06-19 08:32 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]sethanikeem, 2009-06-19 08:42 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]sable_twilight, 2009-06-19 09:03 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]dark_fire_wolf, 2009-06-19 09:38 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]darmorazzini, 2009-06-20 03:20 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]sethanikeem, 2009-06-20 06:47 pm UTC (Expand)
Unsung hero as well - [info]moonnana, 2009-06-19 09:22 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]mishib, 2009-06-20 01:54 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]darmorazzini, 2009-06-20 03:22 am UTC (Expand)
Very thought provoking,
[info]casizemore
2009-06-19 08:21 pm UTC (link)
The idea has my mind wandering, also the modified imagery. I am Dense, I didn't put the Homo-Sexual repression together with vampire myths but now my brain is bubbling.

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Re: Very thought provoking,
[info]sethanikeem
2009-06-19 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Even writing in the late 1700s, Coleridge's vampire in his long poem "Christabel" exhibits clear lesbian tendencies. The type of forbidden sexuality seems to change to reflect that which is most forbidden -- either to the author, unconsciously infusing the character with this allure or to his/her age -- but the forbidden aspect remains.

Consider how much of a D/s dynamic comes out in so many of the literary portrayals of vampire interactions -- in the Victorian age, against the submissive women's wills, and in this day and age, it's far more consensual.

Bubble away. I'd love to see where this takes you. Welcome aboard, BTW. Many of my friends speak very highly of you, and I'm glad to make your acquaintance.

--M

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Re: Very thought provoking, - [info]casizemore, 2009-06-19 08:30 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]purpura
2009-06-19 09:05 pm UTC (link)
"Lit-gasm"

Best new word ever!!!

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[info]matrixrefugee
2009-06-19 10:04 pm UTC (link)
Agreed! :: Borrows::

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[info]roonilwazlib6
2009-06-19 09:11 pm UTC (link)
I actually read a rather humorous review by a woman who was raised Mormon (I'm unsure if she still follows those particular beliefs) about how rife the series is with Mormon morals and ideals. It's rather interesting and great for a laugh, here's the link if you're interested: http://stoney321.livejournal.com/317176.html

I also think the age group so obsessed with the series is interesting. I've found it's mostly younger girls, middle school and high school age, but even some of my friends (I'm 22) love the books. I don't get it.

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[info]quixotic_otaku
2009-06-19 10:18 pm UTC (link)
Thanks so much, I'm loving this link!

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[info]quixotic_otaku
2009-06-19 10:04 pm UTC (link)
It is pretty scary to me that young women think that Edward Cullen is the ideal boyfriend.

Twilight isn't about indulgence though, it's about abstinence until marriage.

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[info]flemco
2009-06-19 10:30 pm UTC (link)
Actually, it's just stupid.

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[info]peristera
2009-06-20 02:02 am UTC (link)
Great insights. I would love to add something but DAMN - you hit the nail on the head.

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[info]sethanikeem
2009-06-20 06:54 pm UTC (link)
I'm formulating some thoughts currently that even the de-humanized vampires have a sexual element -- but it's not a pretty one. It's about rape and being completely controlled by one's primal nature -- existing simply as a creature of hunger that satisfies that hunger on anything and everything. Which is monstrous and should be presented as such. But perhaps the horror there is that, any of us might become that ravening thing should we be thrust into the proper (extreme) circumstances...

Oh -- and you & James will laugh at this -- apparently a certain Nocturnal Witchcraft writer asserts that the King in Yellow is some insanity-inducing magickal tome that he's used to excellent effect to curse and destroy others -- but to even read its pages is to court insanity! Can you believe it?

--M

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[info]elegantblackcat
2009-06-20 02:18 am UTC (link)
Although vampires have often been used to explore forbidden sexuality, at least since Stoker, I must disagree with the age difference aspect. If that were the case, "Lord of the Rings" would be just as guilty (Aragorn was almost 90 if I recall).
Also, if you are wondering "Why Mormon and why gay?", check out "Angels in America".

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[info]sethanikeem
2009-06-20 06:58 pm UTC (link)
I keep harping on the high school element. And maybe it does have more to do consciously with chastity and with forbidden fruit -- but I don't see how, in the current social clime, that some readers aren't picking up on that deeper and more disturbing undercurrent. America is positively frothing at the mouth over child porn, child sex, and pedophilia -- and the fact that the lines of demarcation differentiating an innocent child from a potentially sexual adult are so arbitrary (and can even change from state to state) are not helping this matter. I think, more than any other sexual "deviance" or forbidden act, sexual interactions with individuals considered too young are the greatest current source of anxiety.

--M

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[info]darmorazzini
2009-06-20 03:07 am UTC (link)
I actually did my English 345 (research for English majors) paper on "Dracula as Homosexual Tour Guide."

There is more than enough evidence that Dracula represents Stoker's feelings for not only Irving, but also for Walt Witman (who is his model for Dracula), and that the book was a coded "cruise" manual at the time, including key members of the "Cruising" society for its time. For me, I wasn't so sure about the Thesis when I began researching this, but after you read the part of Dracula that didn't make the final version of the book, the Sea Voyage sequence, which was left out because it was such a blatant reference to Stoker's closeted life at the time, I was completely convinced.

In the end, it changed how I forever looked at Dracula, a book I know see as both a sad confession from a man who was not free to live his life publicly, a critique on the sexual norms (especially the hypocracy) of Victorian England, but also, a long meditation on the frailty of the human heart when Love goes unreturned, and the ways we divide amongst ourselves in order to either heal or hide the wound which threatens to consume us.

As to what sexual taboos still remain in our time I think the top three are:
1. Incest
2. Homosexual relationships where there is a significant age difference (older-younger lesbian porn is the TOP selling form of porn for straight males these days).
3. Pedophilia

Granted, I'm not rooting for #1 or #3 anytime soon, but these are the taboos sexually that stand in our culture that at one time, in cultures past (and in a few cultures still), were normalized.

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[info]sethanikeem
2009-06-20 07:02 pm UTC (link)
Anyone "in the know" regarding the homosexual culture at the time would find it very notable that Stoker idolized Whitman and went out of his way to pay the man a visit.

I'm still inclined to assert that Dracula's appearance owes a great deal with Irving, largely because Stoker had a mind to produce the story on the stage -- he goes on and on about Irving's eyes, and the primal power of his gaze, and I believe this found its way into the character -- and subsequently into our archetype of the vampire forever more.

One cannot help but wonder about Florence Bascombe. Romanced first by Wilde, then, almost the minute Wilde expresses disinterest, Stoker snaps her up and marries her quite suddenly while in his mid-thirties. Did she know? What was her relationship to the gay culture of the time? Perhaps it was one of those convenient arrangements? Her story is never really told...

--M

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(no subject) - [info]suvroc, 2009-06-23 04:41 pm UTC (Expand)
we are what we are
[info]ladymalpirgi
2009-06-20 03:52 am UTC (link)
Well i would like to say when it comes to my self and my kind i associate with locally... we have never thought we needed to adhear to what the humans call the norm. i am a very sexual creature and so are all i know. if just being a sexual and sentual person who enjoys her body and that of her lover, be they boy or girl or both in one bed... is gay... im ok with that. im sure my lovers feel the same... grin
LadyMalpirgi Ramkht

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Re: we are what we are
[info]sethanikeem
2009-06-20 07:12 pm UTC (link)
For this post, I'm making a clear distinction between the vampire of literature and film and real vampires. But it's true -- one of the aspects of the archetype that the modern community embodies in many places is the ideal of sexual freedom.

--M

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[info]maxie2019
2009-06-20 04:32 am UTC (link)
In literature, the vampire is a wish-fulfillment figure and, more than that, it is an expression of darker sexual desires. Vampires, since they are not properly human and therefore exist beyond the bounds of human rules, can engage in forbidden sexuality with impunity.

You just nailed why vamp lit is so popular-have you ever read Tanya Huff's "Blood Books"? The now defunct show Blood Ties was based off of her series. Good show, but Lifetime basically killed it. Shame-it probably would've done better if it aired on ABC or the CW.

Anyway, in the books she addresses what you said in a roundabout way with the character of Henry and how Vicki (and in some way, Mike Celluci) respond and are attracted to his vampiric side. And why so many women swooned over Kyle Schmid as Henry Fitzroy once the tv show aired, haha.

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[info]evfan1
2009-06-20 04:35 am UTC (link)
hey i liked forbidden pleasures

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[info]aset_isis
2009-06-20 06:18 am UTC (link)
So, Edward is a creepy stalker and Bella is a whiny weak high school girl.
Oy. If what you're telling me is that this is what people desire then I'm scared to know what our world is coming to. I've been stalked numerous times and I didn't like it. =/

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[info]sethanikeem
2009-06-20 07:14 pm UTC (link)
What people consciously desire? No. Conflicts regarding desire that simmer just on the edge of consciousness? Yeah -- at least in part.

--M

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Some of the basic elements of Twilight raised questions for me.
[info]brother_order
2009-06-20 12:00 pm UTC (link)
I never read the books or saw the movie. I guess I sort of prejudged the whole concept based on a very few questions raised by what I had seen in the commercials.

Most vampires are portrayed as fully adult. Oh I know that there are exceptions, but in nearly every case the exceptions are created to creep out the reader and they face colossal challenges surviving and making their way in the world because of the fact that they are not considered adults by society.

There is also the whole issue of longevity in a location for someone who doesn't age. If a person becomes a vampire in their late twenties to early forties they can pretty much lay claim to anywhere in that age bracket owing their appearance to looking old or young for their age. This also allows them the opportunity to, with a change of clothing, addition of a cane, and some hair dye to make themselves appear to age. A skilled vampire could squeeze a good fifty years out of one location or Life. It seems unlikely that you could pull off more than say twenty years in a location is you appeared to be in your teens.

Now I don't know if the vampires in Twilight are made or born. If made the above applies and if born then having the aging process slow dramatically or stop as they reach their late teens would seem to be a negative survival trait.

Another element that raised questions for me was indeed the whole age issue. I am no expert on relationships, but for me chemistry or basic attraction isn't enough upon which to base a relationship. The media often portrays vampires as dressing decades, even centuries behind the times. I don't see that as so far fetched. As I travel through the decades I find myself less and less interested in the modern fashions and more interested in pragmatic concerns. I can see a day not far off when I will be wearing fashions ten or twenty years out of date and simply not care. Why do I bring this up in relation to this topic?

I do so because I don't see vampires fascinated by pop culture. Oh they might pay it cursory attention, but I just don't see them fully embracing television, I-phones and the internet in general. They will learn to use them as part of their survival strategy, but I can't see them becoming vidiots or net-junkies. Think of how difficult it is for a television or movie plot to hold your attention now and then triple your experience. To say that a vampire will be a bit behind the times pop culture wise is just a given. Remember George Hamilton playing Dracula in Love at First Bite? Of course you don't because it was before your time for most of you.

Have any of you dated someone significantly older than you? I am talking at least a twenty year or more difference in age, either direction. It is a huge challenge because you don't have the same point of reference. I remember the first time I mentioned John Wayne to friends only a decade younger than myself and they had no idea who he was. I know that Michelle has on occasion made references to certain television programs upon which she grew up, and only received blank stares from many of you.

The age question not only raises the question, "What do you talk about." but also, "How do you talk." Either the vampire's romantic interest would have to be an exceptionally deep person well versed in history, literature, art, politics and philosophy, or the vampire is going to have to really work on getting up to speed on everything modern. Even then their views, interests and take on virtually everything will be vastly different.

Such a relationship might well interest a mortal, but it doesn't seem to offer the vampire much beyond the chance to show his romantic interest his world giving him the opportunity to see it again through new eyes. That is a gift that fades almost as quickly as the bloom of youth in mortals. The vampire could attempt to play pygmalion, but then he would simply be trying to shape one fantasy into another and the poor mortal would inevitably fall short.

It seems to me that a vampire's best bet at a relationship would be with other immortals and even that would be a long shot. When you add in the lost love factor through the generations a vampire would be better off in therapy than chasing mortal relationships.

S-

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[info]lenastockton
2009-06-20 12:28 pm UTC (link)
Now you are very much reminding me of comments my coven mate has made about the Twilight series! I'm going to have to show her this entry even though she will now claim she was right AND now has backup! ;)

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[info]sethanikeem
2009-06-20 07:15 pm UTC (link)
Well, also keep in mind that this is armchair literary criticism -- it's less about being right in any absolute sense and more about making a compelling argument.

--M

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[info]sable_twilight
2009-06-20 05:03 pm UTC (link)
Oh gods, [info]sophia_daniels just pointed out that if vampire feeding is related to sex, then this is a series in which the main characters engage in bestiality over sex with other people.

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[info]kantrip
2009-06-21 07:23 am UTC (link)
yo! i lost yer email. need to pick your brain on sumtin'.

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[info]sahtyinepu
2009-06-21 08:48 pm UTC (link)
I wrote up a small review last night... which drove some people to the boiling point.

I had a Clerks 2 moment... I ripped on Twilight so hard I made some fandork throw up.

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[info]bloodypinklady
2009-06-26 04:03 am UTC (link)
Hrm. I think the sexual taboo theme in Twilight came from the religious-laced "vampirism equals fucking" argument Meyer tried to make. "I can't turn her into a vampire yet! She's too young! She doesn't know what she wants! And we're not married!" I've said it before, Bella should have a Babyminder.

Twilight seems too much like a teen sex novel that's trying really, really hard not to be a teen sex novel. Teen sex is taboo, but if authors blur the edges enough, they can sell a crapload of cheap mass-market paperbacks catering to straight as well as gay relationships.

On the topic of gay vampires: This mildly disturbing manga series features several quasi-pedophiliac relationships. Its target market? 35-year-old Japanese women. I kid you not.

I think vampirism in general equals taboo. Opposite of life, life-giving substances like garlic, life-support systems like the church, vampirism's the anti-life. Plus, eating blood breaks kashrut.

As for "why now, Twilight?" the books have been around for a few years. If you track it back, HP 7 came out just a few months before Breaking Dawn and I think a crafty marketing team wanted to catch some angsty teen fantasy reader dollars before the target audience sucked the bills back into their pockets. Plus, there was a movie. Much as I would like to think people ignore shoddy books with movie version...there's Tod Browning's Dracula. (I think I prefer Tod Browning's Freaks.)

As for age difference, Texas springs to mind. There are several places in the South where you can get "married" (akin to betrothal) as a teen. I'm trying to think of a story where the vampire's true age caused some concern, other than the "waaah I've outlived my friends and family and usefulness to society" stuff. Hard-pressed to think of one. And I agree that Edward's relationship with Bella would be less creepy if he placed himself in a college rather than high school setting. (Wouldn't have been that hard to edit the story. Simply give Bella some excuse to be around the college, through a female friend or older brother or something. Boost the growing-up-too-fast theme.)

I also agree with the shift towards vampires as monsters. I have a coworker who refuses to believe that vampires can be anything else. Talking with other people drifting around the subculture, our favorite vampires tend to walk a line between man and monster. To me, a well-spoken and cultured fiend is scarier than a bloodsucking horror--they're one and the same, but the cultured fiend can walk among us and pass for human at times. (Why do you think all those true crime books get published? Ann Rule had something going there, tapping into the public's forbidden need.)

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[info]bloodypinklady
2009-06-26 04:30 am UTC (link)
LJ enjoys cutting off my posts.

Let me share a few Twilight links of my own, courtesy of Cracked.com.

I'm agreeing with a lot of people! Agreeing with [info]nephthysh3 on the Breaking Dawn vampire fetus mindfuck. (My supervisor's reading the series and I warned her about it and she kinda looked at me, but then I recommended Hotel Transylvania--she's a history buff--and she liked it.) I don't recall Lestat ripping anything out of Mona Mayfair, and for fanservicing vampire relationships, they should make some sense.

Thinking of reality television and its voyeurism, it's at work here too. How many people have seen or read vampire erotica and noticed some ancillary character just...watching? Twilight (the first three anyway) invited the reader to stand alongside the Mary Sue and hope she (inevitably she) got bitten too.

Angels in America: It's repression. Same as Orthodox lesbians and raised vegans longing for "forbidden" meat and dairy. There's a subplot running through vampire universes like the Sookie Stackhouse and Anita Blake series about what's safe to drink. In vampire RPGs, there's much angst about what to drink and who to make into a vampire. It's the idea that monstrous beings who by rights should have the ability to kill and drink and procreate whoever and whenever instead follow the rules of a (sometimes corrupt) heirarchy to make sure they stay cultured fiends.

Something just occurred to me. Claudia from IWTV (the book). Five years old, incarnation of Anne Rice's dead daughter, etc., but I find it interesting that more vampires flipped a shit in the movie about Claudia's vampirization than in the book, and her age is boosted to around 10 in the movie. Just a random thought. (They float through often.)

I remember Love at First Bite, particularly the dictionary in the coffin bit. Dracula knew those terms were outdated only because of the book's copyright date. And also in that movie, Dracula had definite appeal to the heroine because he was unlike every other late 70s guy that tried to date her. (And she was klutzy like Bella for keeping a kitten in her fridge! It all makes sense now!)

For vampires as romantic interests, it's hard for me to believe that one woman born centuries after a vampire is the only mate for him. (Harlequin has a hard time believing it too--many of their heroes fall for a woman who reminded them of a past lover but then turn out to be much better.) Again, hard-pressed to think of a fictional vampire soulmate romance that developed over centuries.

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